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 Post subject: TM vs. PFx
PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:41 am 
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The Machine vs. The Pink Floyd Experience (PFx)

The night of 2/18/11 I went to Albany’s Palace Theater to see PFx to take in some Floyd music and try and make a critical comparison with TM. Given the positive bias I have toward TM I knew it would be difficult to remain objective. One of the elements I will touch on is scale. Another element I’m completely ignorant of is promotion.

For those not familiar with The Palace Theater it is a sit down venue with a large balcony. When I asked the ushers what the seating capacity was one told me 2800 while another told me 2400. Just before the show started I asked how many patrons were attending tonight’s performance the usher told me 2000. At 6:10 a bit more than an hour before the show’s scheduled start I went to the box office and still had the choice of the $32 seat, but opted for an aisle seat in row U for $27. Row U was the “front row” of the cheaper seats. So I‘m thinking there must have been a huge last minute turn out on this strange 52 degree winter evening. I was surprised I was only expecting maybe half full at best. As I settled in I believe I heard an announcement that this show was promoted by the local radio station.

Before the show similar to movie theaters, trivia, Pink Floyd trivia, was projected on the stage screen. I might have this wrong but I think one question was ‘Name the only city in which PF performed Marooned on the Division Bell tour?' - the answer was Oslo, Norway. I was amused by the trivia as it was interesting, informative, and challenging.

I believe I read that PFx is playing the Animals album on this leg of their tour. At 7:36 the six piece band started Pigs on the Wing(part1). During “Dogs” my first impressions began forming. I noticed three band members playing guitar. The vocalist played acoustic, there was the lead/main guitarist, and then the guy in the back that also plays sax and some additional keyboards was playing some rhythm guitar. You would think this would result in a better sound, but I jotted down on my notepad “over layered”. During the night I was distracted with the sound/tone coming from the main guitarist. I don’t think I can technically express how, but the signal sounded too compressed like he had to strangle the sound to keep control of it. The musician that stood out to me over the others was the bassist. They refer to him as “the legend” I thought he had a great tone, inflection, timing, and appeared to be genuinely enjoying himself, that being said I still prefer Ryan.

The Animals set flew by while a group of three people in the wing to my right stood/danced at their seats were promptly booed down by those seated behind them. The only other distraction I noticed was during the prayer verse of Sheep the vocal seemed way over digitized. I much prefer The Machine’s ghostly subtle spoken version.

One of PFx’s bells and whistles that I enjoyed was their use of the typical Floyd sound effects. The sound came from behind the crowd and it was very distinctly brilliant. Well into the second set the band temporarily walks off the stage as an image of rain puddling on the ground appears on the screen in the darkness, the sound of rain fills the venue. An individual strolls on the stage dressed in black as the figure from the Delicate Sound of Thunder album cover with light bulbs clad to his suit. He is not on stage but only for a moment, then strolls off followed by an intense thunder clap that lifted me off my seat. The band reappeared on stage and started playing Numb. It was a dramatic break into a great song no matter how tired I get of it.

The first set ended at 8:20 and the second set started at 8:40. Out in the lobby during intermission several people approached me as I was wearing the old black glow in the dark “The Machine” shirt. I was asked “When is the The Machine coming back?” “Are The Machine still playing?” “The Machine are better than these guys”. Most locals I found don’t realize that Troy’s Revolution Hall closed last summer where TM had played the last following years. I explained that TM last played locally at Northern Lights last winter, and are overdue to return. I told people that TM has played several venues outside of the Albany region including Rutland, Pittsfield, and Infinity Hall in Connecticut, however, I could tell this was too far for the casual local fan. Before the second set started I walked up and down each aisle way as a human billboard before taking my seat.

The second set was as follows: Learning to Fly, Have a Cigar, Time (with no clock or drum intro (What the FK!)), Money, Shine, Let There be More Light, Echoes, Any Colour>Brain>Eclipse, Numb, Run, Brick and ended at 9:55. During the last two songs an inflatable pig balloon remotely flies above the crowd - no big woop. On the PFx website I read reviews from previous shows and most people listed the pig balloon as their highlight. I think that says a lot.

What I took away from this show was an even greater appreciation (if it can be greater) for The Machine, especially the refined multiple decade experienced playing of Joe’s guitar work. Easily much better than the sound produced by the three guitars from PFx. However, it also makes me wonder why does an inferior performance draw more than a typical TM show? I would like to believe that TM keeps it relatively small scale to maintain a intimate feel, while also keeping the promotional costs at a minimum. Whatever the reason The Machine’s method works for me.

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 Post subject: Re: TM vs. PFx
PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:46 pm 
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Pink Floyd Experience was playing about 15 minutes from house this past weekend. A friend of mine called about going, and I said "no". Could not bring myself to do it. :)


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 Post subject: Re: TM vs. PFx
PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:24 pm 
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I think PFX is horrendous! I am embarrassed to say I ever paid for a ticket to their show!


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 Post subject: Re: TM vs. PFx
PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:09 am 
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Great review and thanks for offering it up to the forum Bike. I took a look and see they are within a 2 hour drive for me this friday night... An animals show is right up my alley, not sure if PFE is worthy of the gas BUT one never knows, it is a friday and I have no “real” plans....

On the subject of PF music / tributes.... For me personally I go to a TM show and easily get lost in the music, I enjoy and crave the extended jambs TM provides and look forward to the differences in like songs show to show... am I bias? Absolutely, do I care? Absolutely not. As long as TM keeps delivering I'll keep going.

Assuming I go this friday to see PFE I'm fairly certain of one thing, I'll be frustrated... Like you Bike I'll be looking for things, problems, issues.... Like I'm looking for a used car and I don't trust the salesman. I'll nitpick, notice the vocals are off or the transitions are awkward between songs... This isn't a knock on PFE (hell, I've never seen them!) just an unfortunate reality as a fan of PF music. I feel the same frustration at an APF show and just can't connect to the band/music...

As far as the pig or inflatables for that matter, I can do without it.... But seeing a guy in a light bulb suit? That should be fun for a laugh...

In rereading the comments above I think I will pass... Why drive 2 hours to be frustrated? It appears Bike won't see them again, Gerry took a pass and frog is embarrassed he paid for a ticket.... Thanks for the feedback!

Guess it will be a redbox friday night!

Anyone notice the Vegas show is acoustic? I hope the sommelier like PF!


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 Post subject: Re: TM vs. PFx
PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:09 pm 
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The Machine has great fans across the eastern seaboard! You guys are great and your fans let us "have it" last night at The Electric Factory in Philadelphis, PA last night.

Laughs....;-)

A great testament to you and your own "Street Team" & fan base ...

I've seen you many times (Peppermill Casino Reno, NV; Belly Up Tavern., Solana Beach, CA, etc) on and off the stage (i.e the hot tub at The Peppermill Casino some years ago). We appreciate you guys and your love for this great great music!!

Cheers to Joe, band, Tye-Dye Vicki, and all of you who may, or may not, appreciate other Floyd shows!!

Life is too short...long live Pink Floyd & all their fans!!
gilmost
p.s. don't expect a fan forum topic called "pfx vs the machine" anytime soon! ;-)


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 Post subject: Re: TM vs. PFx
PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:20 pm 
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the last post was not "spam", I promise you.
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the last post was not "spam", I promise you.
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 Post subject: Re: TM vs. PFx
PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:40 pm 
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For those wondering "Gilmost" is listed as the moderator for The Pink Floyd Experience (PFx) forum.

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 Post subject: Re: TM vs. PFx
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:03 pm 
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Got this groupon today...guess sales are a little sluggish... probably because of Bikes post....

If your near uconn on the 17th.... $38 for the pair... over 50 bought!

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Ahh Magenta your witty teasing makes me smile. I look forward to our next ale together.

I'm catching Peter Frampton at the Palace in Albany friday with the wife, and later this month attending a lecture on the Beatles White Album at Proctors in Schnectady. Frampton Comes Alive's "Do you feel like I do" was recorded at my alma mater's field house.

I'll be curious to hear if TM used any of their time off to reherse any additional Floyd material?

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